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21400.3.1.3272 Re: Wanted: Real Heart Model
4/23/93 11:00 22/ Ralph Seguin <[e-mail]>
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> >A co-worker of mine wants to make illustrations of a heart using his
> >A2000 and Imagine for his wife's presentations.  She is a nurse.
> >So he is looking for a fairly accurate 3-D model of a real human heart,
> >not the romaticized shape.

> >Does anyone know where such a model may be acquired?
> >Or who to ask to find out?

>       Yes, well ViewPoint....that company that has all those 3D
> Digitized objects in tons of formats has  some hearts.  It has a full 3D
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> heart, plus I think it has a half cut 3D one.  I forget the phone #.
> (it's at home).  I'm not sure how much they cost, but i recall the
> medical  objects are  more than most others.  I could check later if you
> want.

On one of the fish disks, there is a program called Heart3D.  This
program has a 3D wireframe representation of the heart WHILE beating
(ie, it has CAT scans converted).  You might check out this program
and see if they have additional progress/information to give.

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21400.3.1.3273 Re: Fogs
4/23/93 12:00 11/ [e-mail] (AIDE Kiernan)
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        I've been playing with some fog objects recently and have come across an
        annoying problem.  It seems that when the two fogs overlap, they cancel
        each other out.  Any suggestions?
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but I imagine this was some functional screw-up on Impulses part, probably.
This sorta reminds me of the time I put an observer inside a reflective
cube on Sculpt 3D and it tried to reflect shadows like light.

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21400.3.1.3274 Re: Editing times
4/23/93 12:06 11/ [e-mail] (AIDE Kiernan)
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        > used?? I would like to know how hard it is to write a program just
        > to tell a editing deck when to record a frame and such.

        If you have a 4000, perhaps the most cost effective solution is to get the
        NEW Toaster which adds realtime playback of 24 bit animation. No expensive
        single frame deck necessary.
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21400.3.1.3275 Counter - Essence texture???
4/23/93 12:09 13/ [e-mail] (Manjit Bedi)
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last night, I was trying to use the "Counter" texture that comes with
Essence.  I was attempting to map it to a disc (primitive imagine object).
I was getting some funny results.  It turns out I need to rotate the
texture axis to get the digits to appear on the right surface of the
disc.  But the one that is confusing me is when I change the "Digit
Width" and "Digit Height" values the object gets shaded with a
cubist like pattern.  This strikes me as something suspect; what
could be going on here?

I also played around with applying the texture to a cube (extruded
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from a plane) and the results are the same.

I doubled the size values from the default values.
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21400.3.1.3276 Imagine PC pricing
4/23/93 01:32 5/ [e-mail] (Tomasz Plonka V rok)
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How much is Imagine PC ?

Tomasz Plonka.

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21400.3.1.3277 Re: Essence Counter texture
4/23/93 13:51 34/ [e-mail] (Steve Worley)
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Manjit Bedi writes:

> It turns out I need to rotate the texture axis to get the digits to
> appear on the right surface of the disc.  But the one that is
> confusing me is when I change the "Digit Width" and "Digit Height"
> values the object gets shaded with a cubist like pattern.  This
> strikes me as something suspect; what could be going on here?


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There are two problems here. One is that "Counter" is a 2D texture, so
the texture is projected flat along the X-Y texture axis. If you try
to place the texture on an object standing vertically on its edge,
you're not going to see much. You need to make sure the Z texture axis
is pointing OUT of the face you want to apply the texture to: it looks
like you figured this out by trial and error though. This is described
in a little more detail on page 11 of the Essence manual.

The other problem has to do with "legal" parameter values for the
Counter texture. The ugly checks are an error message, saying "Whups,
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you misset some parameters to illegal values." These error messages
are described on pages 25-27 of the Essence manual. In this case, you
probably set the "Digit Width" parameter larger than the "Digit
Spacing" parameter. This would make each digit so wide it would
overlap with its neighbors (this is Not Good,) so it's not allowed and
the error message is returned. The ugly checks are designed to be
instantly recognisable, and the manual describes what different check
error messages mean.

If you have any other problems with the texture feel free to email me
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-Steve Worley
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21400.3.1.3278 REAL-TIME
4/23/93 13:18 31/ "Tony R. Boutwell" <[e-mail]>
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SOMEONE wrote :

>No way... Come on... A hard drive can't retrieve 24-bit 700K images
>fast enough to do real-time playback, unless, ofcourse,
>they now use MPEG or some form of it. A video recorder with frame
>accurate recording is the best solution, I think.


In response to above...there is something capable of doing that...
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(well at least there is going to be in about 2-3 months)

Its called the DREAM MACHINE from Impulse....The last Gazette mentions it.
It is suppose to be able to grab (in real time) live video coming in...
and put out live video....(as in animations that you save to it...)

You sould see a version that is capable of handling like 15-30 min of
video for around 3500$ <----GREAT PRICE considering the alternative.

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It is supposed to be able to work with any machine (AMIGA, IBM, SGI, ETC)
'cause the hardware is independent...all ya need is the specific software
for what ever machine you are using.

It uses JPEG technology....

(Thats All I really know....more info is supposed to start seeping out as
 they get more finished with the product.) <--- I cant wait!

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21400.3.1.3279 Wanted: Real Heart Model
4/23/93 07:21 21/ [e-mail] (David Ingebretsen)
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Viewpoint sells three different models of tha heart, all with
chambers. The Prices range from $100 to $300 depending on how many
points/polys are in the model. They will sell it in Imagine,
Lightwave, Sculpt, as well as any other major format.

Viewpoint
1-800-DATASET (328-2738)
[phone]

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        David

        David M. Ingebretsen
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21400.3.1.3280 Steve's book
4/23/93 13:36 5/ Mark Bergem <[e-mail]>
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I was just wondering if anyone knew what the price was on "Understanding
Imagine 2.0"...I'm intrested in it..but I was just curious on the price

Mark Bergem

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21400.3.1.3281 Re: Editing times
4/22/93 22:18 11/ [e-mail] (Thomas E. Smith)
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Mark Thompson writes:
>If you have a 4000, perhaps the most cost effective solution is to get the
>NEW Toaster which adds realtime playback of 24 bit animation. No expensive
>single frame deck necessary.

What's this about a new toaster? Is it out already? How much? How does it
achive the realtime playback? How many frames can it play? I have many
questions 8) Anything else about the new Toaster would be helpful as well.

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21400.3.1.3282 Re: Cheap Motion Blur?
4/23/93 11:24 18/ Mark Thompson <[e-mail]>
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(David Ingebretsen) writes:
> I was pondering a "cheap" way to get motion blur in some instances. I
> came up with this:
> Airplane, helicopter rotor:

This trick, which I have used many times before, can actually look better
than the computationally more difficult rendered motion blur because you
have greater control over the blur and you aren't limited by the number
of time slices in your motion. And you don't have to rotate the disk slowly
because the "wagon-wheel" effect will take place at higher speeds anyway.
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Some degree of speed variation does make it more interesting.
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21400.3.1.3283 Re: Editing times
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Since I posted my blurb on the 4000 Toaster reatime animation playback, I
have seen 2 different sources mention that it was AGA HAM8 playback and
not full color. I cannot deny that it is HAM8 but in my conversation with
Lee Stranahan, I got the impression it was not. By next week we shall know
for sure. But it occurs to me that it must be more than simply HAM8 animation
because they would not be able maintain 30Hz update in video resolution
on a 4000 with such a simplistic compression scheme. We shall see.
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21400.3.1.3284 Re: Editing times
4/23/93 06:05 22/ Adam Benjamin <[e-mail]>
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In a previous article Mark Thomson wrote:

>If you have a 4000, perhaps the most cost effective solution is to get
>the NEW Toaster which adds realtime playback of 24 bit animation. No
>expensive single frame deck necessary.

What is "real time playback"?  I hate buzz words that usually don't
really mean what they imply. How long can the anim be?  Where is it
playing from?  Is there a delta limit?
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21400.3.1.3285 Group Project Doc 001
4/23/93 09:16 81/ [e-mail] (Peter Mancini)
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Joe's Diner Group Project

Document 001, really long, skip if you aren't interested.

Assigning objects to members, scale to the scene, rules for construction,
and timeline objective.

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Greeting Imagineers!
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So far we have 12 designers for our project.  There have been perhaps 40
other letters sent my way saying this is a great idea.  I think we can get
started and prove that this is a great idea.

Our objective is to compile a grand set of tutorials.  The objects are
secondary, as far as I am concerned.  The tutorials you will write will
all have their own style and pace.  The simpler the object, the more detailed
the tutorial.  The audience for the project is all Imagine users.  Some
tutorials will describe really basic things like, how to make a plate.
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Others will be on more detailed and mechanical things.

If you want to build a cycle object, please do so.  In fact I totally
encourage it.  If you want to use PixPro 3D, or ICOONS, or ESSENSE, please
do.  The final object needs to be Public Domain, but the tools to create it
do not.  If you have a program that uses the TTDDD library, include it.  Go
crazy if you must.  Also, please be as artistic as possible.  Don't toss on
a hex ridge Essence texture just for the hell of it.  Every step you take
should have some meaning in context to the object, and increase its overall
value.
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The Scene:  Lets try and shoot for a 50's style diner.  You can rent many
Marlon Brando/James Dean movies and see what these things looked like.
Please try and view something like this before you start, because what you
remember and what the real object is may be very different.  For example I
created and Eagle from Space:1999 that somehow didn't look correct.  After
going to the video store and seeing an Eagle on the cover of a Space:1999
tape I realized that I had forgotton the boxy leg/attitude thruster
compartments.  All in All, I will accept any object.  Even if you don't think
it looks good when you've "finished it", release it.  Someone will say "hey
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you could improve it by doing X".  That is what Internet is all about.  Free
flowing information, interaction, and feed back.

Objective dates:  I want to see progress.  I would like 50% of all objects
completed by 1 July 1993,  I would like to see 100% of all objects completed
by 1 August 1993.  I want 100% of all tutorials done by 1 September 1993.
I will bug people on a regular basis as to their progress.  If your english
isn't very good let me know and I will spell and grammer check your articles.
This applys to American's whose native language is english as well!

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Assignment of Tasks:
    FAITH:              JUKE BOX
    BANDY:              CLOCK
    A.BENGAMIN:         CALENDER
    VINCENT.FARGET:     MENU (Vince, if you could make menu of American food
                        in fancy sounding high french that would be really
                        funny.  Include a tassle if you can, or a ribbon, or
                        an embossed cover (Le Joe's) to make it really
                        interesting.
    PARHAM:             CEILING FAN
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    MBC:                EXTERIOR SHOT + JOE'S NEON SIGN (any scale you like)
    KHOLLAND:           BOOTH MODULE
    HECKNER:            GRILLE
    MBED:               SALT 'N' PEPPER SHAKERS
    WOOVIS:             PLACE SETTING (PLATE, SPOON, FORK, KNIFE, NAPKIN)
    GCHANCE:            PAY PHONE
    AWREN:              COKE BOTTLE

If you don't like the object you were assigned, let me know.  Trading
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wrong people.  With the exception of the exterior shot, lets attempt to
keep the scale to 25 units = 1 inch (1 unit = 1mm).  If you want to make
other objects in addition to the others go ahead.  I expect the tutorials to
be about 3 printed pages in length on average.  This is a guess.  Try to
be precise, concise, and clear.  If you are having a problem, report it on
IML and I'm sure someone will have a solution to your problem.

Any Question?  Comments?  --> [e-mail]

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> >A co-worker of mine wants to make illustrations of a heart using his
> >A2000 and Imagine for his wife's presentations.  She is a nurse.
> >So he is looking for a fairly accurate 3-D model of a real human heart,
> >not the romaticized shape.

> >Does anyone know where such a model may be acquired?
> >Or who to ask to find out?

>       Yes, well ViewPoint....that company that has all those 3D
> Digitized objects in tons of formats has  some hearts.  It has a full 3D
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> heart, plus I think it has a half cut 3D one.  I forget the phone #.
> (it's at home).  I'm not sure how much they cost, but i recall the
> medical  objects are  more than most others.  I could check later if you
> want.

On one of the fish disks, there is a program called Heart3D.  This
program has a 3D wireframe representation of the heart WHILE beating
(ie, it has CAT scans converted).  You might check out this program
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        A co-worker of mine wants to make illustrations of a heart using his
        A2000 and Imagine for his wife's presentations.  She is a nurse.
        So he is looking for a fairly accurate 3-D model of a real human heart,
        not the romaticized shape.
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If you don't succeed in finding a heart laying around, imagine that
one, then I guess thenext step would be to find 2D slices of a
heart and costruct your own using the ILBM converter. It shouldn't be
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4/23/93 12:00 11/ [e-mail] (AIDE Kiernan)
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        I've been playing with some fog objects recently and have come across an
        annoying problem.  It seems that when the two fogs overlap, they cancel
        each other out.  Any suggestions?
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hmmm... I have never delt with the fog feature becuase I don't think I have it,
but I imagine this was some functional screw-up on Impulses part, probably.
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        > used?? I would like to know how hard it is to write a program just
        > to tell a editing deck when to record a frame and such.

        If you have a 4000, perhaps the most cost effective solution is to get the
        NEW Toaster which adds realtime playback of 24 bit animation. No expensive
        single frame deck necessary.
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last night, I was trying to use the "Counter" texture that comes with
Essence.  I was attempting to map it to a disc (primitive imagine object).
I was getting some funny results.  It turns out I need to rotate the
texture axis to get the digits to appear on the right surface of the
disc.  But the one that is confusing me is when I change the "Digit
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could be going on here?

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>       If you have a 4000, perhaps the most cost effective solution is to get
> the NEW Toaster which adds realtime playback of 24 bit animation. No
> expensive single frame deck necessary.
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> No way... Come on... A hard drive can't retrieve 24-bit 700K images
> fast enough to do real-time playback, unless, ofcourse,
> they now use MPEG or some form of it. A video recorder with frame
> accurate recording is the best solution, I think.
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Actually, the Toaster4000 is just playing HAM8 anims.  Newtek is probably
using a variant of ANIM7, decompressing the entire anim in ram, and just
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On Fri, 23 Apr 1993, Mark Bergem wrote:

> I was just wondering if anyone knew what the price was on "Understanding
> Imagine 2.0"...I'm intrested in it..but I was just curious on the price
>
> Mark Bergem
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PAL now ??

greetings Thorsten

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Well I have been deluged with replies to my post about the 4000 Toaster so
I'll try to answer some of your questions publically. But I must preface
my answers with a note that I have not actually seen the product perform
yet and you will have to get the final word from NewTek when they return from
NAB.

Realtime playback means 30 fps. I am not sure if this also implies 60 fields
per second but my guess is it does. The resolution is full toaster video
resolution and in full color (at least to the limits of NTSC). 30MB/s is not
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much like Editmaster. However, unlike Editmaster, they are not using JPEG.
NewTek chose to avoid JPEG/MPEG because of its poor visual artifacting. I am
not sure what method they have selected but there are certainly other means of
lossy image compression such as IFS. The current incarnation of the product
is intended for 3D animation playback and high quality compiled switcher
effects. It also works with the luma keyer allowing you to do such things
as place animated logos over live incoming video. When I asked what quality
of imagery it was capable of reproducing, I was told it is roughly equivalent
to the Toaster framebuffer output. But this is a very subjective assessment
so I am anxious to see it myself. My understanding is that you only get this
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what type of HD is required to achieve their 30 fps full screen rate but it
will be heavily tied to the compression ratio which I am unaware of. Since
I havn't heard any talk about realtime compression of incoming video, it is
possible that the compression scheme they have chosen is asymetrical meaning
it takes far more compute power to compress that it does to playback. This is
just fine for animation since the input is non-realtime anyway. Both MPEG
and IFS are asymetrical. JPEG is symetrical and hence the basis for most
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        > No way... Come on... A hard drive can't retrieve 24-bit 700K images
        > fast enough to do real-time playback, unless, ofcourse,
        > they now use MPEG or some form of it. A video recorder with frame
        > accurate recording is the best solution, I think.
        >
        Actually, the Toaster4000 is just playing HAM8 anims.  Newtek is probably
        using a variant of ANIM7, decompressing the entire anim in ram, and just
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images, which HAM8's are not... They are Hold and Modify Images
which have much finer quirks. Of course, video isn't really
24-bit, so I hear, and NTSC sucks. I guess it doesn't matter all that
much. The advantage of a single frame VCR is is that you can make your
animations as long as the tape. If I did it your way I would need
at least a 1 gig hard drive and a lot more time spent writing/loading
from the hard drive, deleting old animations, compressing/decompressing,
etc. You do get more direct access to frames but if you are using
delta compression, it might be that if you changed one frame in the
animation you would have to change all the frames after the point at
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Animation formats are good for short animations but for long ones
I bet the single frame video recorders are better. I have never
used one, I'm sure there is some maintenance involved, but
the end result animation  can be much longer than could be stuffed
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(i.e. Turbo Silver, Imagine 1.0 & 2.0) for over 2 years now and have only
received one newsletter (around Christmas of '92)?

Carroll

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> That explains it, but it is not the same as playing back real 24-bit
> images, which HAM8's are not... They are Hold and Modify Images
> which have much finer quirks. Of course, video isn't really

  Well, HAM8's could be called 24-bit since you choose from a 24-bit
palette.  You can have 256,000 unique colors on the screen at the
same time from a palette of 16.8 million colors.  If we take a
HIRES LACE OVERSCAN screen of 768x482, that would give us exactly
370,176 pixels.  It is very rare to have an image that will have a
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this resolution had about 20,000 unique colors.  So for most images,
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display.  Of course I am not taking into account fringing in high
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> Realtime playback means 30 fps. I am not sure if this also implies 60 fields
> per second but my guess is it does. The resolution is full toaster video
> resolution and in full color (at least to the limits of NTSC). 30MB/s is not
> necessary to achieve this because they are using a lossy compression scheme
> much like Editmaster. However, unlike Editmaster, they are not using JPEG.
> NewTek chose to avoid JPEG/MPEG because of its poor visual artifacting. I am
> not sure what method they have selected but there are certainly other means of
> lossy image compression such as IFS. The current incarnation of the product
> is intended for 3D animation playback and high quality compiled switcher
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> as place animated logos over live incoming video. When I asked what quality
> of imagery it was capable of reproducing, I was told it is roughly equivalent
> to the Toaster framebuffer output. But this is a very subjective assessment
> so I am anxious to see it myself. My understanding is that you only get this
> capablity on a 4000 with a hardware up-rev'd or NEW Toaster. I am not sure
> what type of HD is required to achieve their 30 fps full screen rate but it
> will be heavily tied to the compression ratio which I am unaware of. Since
> I havn't heard any talk about realtime compression of incoming video, it is
> possible that the compression scheme they have chosen is asymetrical meaning
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> it takes far more compute power to compress that it does to playback. This is
OA> just fine for animation since the input is non-realtime anyway. Both MPEG
> and IFS are asymetrical. JPEG is symetrical and hence the basis for most
> realtime non-linear edit systems.
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 The anims Newtek were playing at NAB were 320x200 (plus overscan?) HAM8.
They did say that the release software would handle 752x480 HAM8.  I have not
seen the new toaster 4000, but I'm pretty sure it is still Video Slot based,
and not a Zorro3 card, which they would need for their quoted playback speeds
on the toaster's buffers.  The genlock has been drastically improved (ie. now
better than the amigen :)  So the output should be fine for preview work on
tape.
  I was told that Newtek was using a regular anim format with a custom header
for political reasons.

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> Hi.  I need to be able to convert DXF files into 3D Studio files.
> Anybody know of a means of doing this?
>
>                       Thanks, Ralph

InterChange Plus and a couple of high-end add on modules can handle this.
Call Syndesis and ask about it.  [phone].

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Any one got a cheap place to buy memory(inexpensive, that is)?

I need 70ns static column zip rams

BTW, I just got my upgrade to Imagine 2.0(so it took me a while, so what).  If
I had know that the manual was an inch thick, I would have upgraded long ago.
I always complained about the Imagine 1.0 manual, but this ones quite a change.
I haven't gotten very far into it yet, and I know everyone says you need
Steve(the lovely Official Spokesmodel for Apex Software) Worleys book, so is
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don't forget my original question about the memory!!!
Thanks


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Hello Carroll Moore,
On 23 APR 1993 22:16:55 you said regarding Impulse Newsletter?:

> Does Impulse regularly publish a newsletter?  I've been using their products
> (i.e. Turbo Silver, Imagine 1.0 & 2.0) for over 2 years now and have only
> received one newsletter (around Christmas of '92)?

You should've gotten one this January also. I did...

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> BTW, I just got my upgrade to Imagine 2.0(so it took me a while, so what).  If
> I had know that the manual was an inch thick, I would have upgraded long ago.
> I always complained about the Imagine 1.0 manual, but this ones quite a change.
> I haven't gotten very far into it yet, and I know everyone says you need
> Steve(the lovely Official Spokesmodel for Apex Software) Worleys book, so is
> this one inch thick manual the same one everyone else got?  Is it poorly
> written?  I guess I'll find out this weekend.

Hello,
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sitting beside me is even thicker than that, doesn't mean that it's useful
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> Hello Carroll Moore,
> On 23 APR 1993 22:16:55 you said regarding Impulse Newsletter?:
>
> > Does Impulse regularly publish a newsletter?  I've been using their products
> > (i.e. Turbo Silver, Imagine 1.0 & 2.0) for over 2 years now and have only
> > received one newsletter (around Christmas of '92)?
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> You should've gotten one this January also. I did...

        Hah!  I didn't get one in January, and when they told me they'd
send me "another" one, I didn't get that one either!

        And here's the best part:  I live about 20 minutes away from
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        I need 70ns static column zip rams
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I bought mine from Memory World.. I think, about 6 months ago it cost
me about 140 dollars for 4 megs of 70ns. By the way, there
is a Static Column burst mode that will get you 50ns access time.
The big deal with Static Column, aftyer reading about it in
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wait states - or something like that, page mode only keeps you from
refreshing the rows but the columns must be refreshed. I think
the Ramses does automatic refreshes so the CPU doesn't.. I'm not sure,
I have only read about it recently... Did anyone know that Dynamic
Rams only take half of an address at a time, then output the data...
I'd imagine that this would make memory reads and writes pretty
slow. But Static Column is the best kind to get, according to my book.

Also does anyone know why the Amiga 3000's and 4000's don't use an external
Static Cache? According to the book I'm reading ("Microprocessors
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> ...  Is it poorly
> written?  I guess I'll find out this weekend.

IMHO, it's more like a novel than a reference text in places, with a good
measure of Impulse's philosophy thrown in.  The index helps but it and the rest
of the book could have done with better structuring (which partly explains the
need for Steve Worley's UI2.0).  It *does* contain a lot that is useful and as
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        > That explains it, but it is not the same as playing back real 24-bit
        > images, which HAM8's are not... They are Hold and Modify Images
        > which have much finer quirks. Of course, video isn't really

          Well, HAM8's could be called 24-bit since you choose from a 24-bit
        palette.  You can have 256,000 unique colors on the screen at the
        same time from a palette of 16.8 million colors.  If we take a
        HIRES LACE OVERSCAN screen of 768x482, that would give us exactly
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        unique color for each pixel.  Most 24-bit images I have created at
        this resolution had about 20,000 unique colors.  So for most images,
        you could not tell the differance between HAM8 and a true 24-bit
        display.  Of course I am not taking into account fringing in high
        contrast areas, but I assume that with a base palette of 256 colors
        an intelligent program could avoid it.
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True but you are forgetting processing requirements.
On a true 24-bit image, true 3 bytes per pixel, you must only modify
the bits in each pixel to add or subtract or perform smoothing
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I think it does, you have to make your code figure out how to
modify colors in HAM8 mode by finding all the adjacent bits and
recalculating the exact values to modify from pixel to pixel to get
to the desired pixel color. Of course, there is probably algorithms
in public domain, written in C or some such language, that
handle thsi stuff for you, but it is by no means direct pixel
color adjustments. The advantage of a HAM8 mode is that it uses
only 8 bites per pixel, the disadvantage is that you must
write complex algorithms that will most possibly waste more clock cycles
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written for a 24-bit color display.

Does HAM8 have a base palette of 256 colors or 64 colors??

I have never had this explained to me.. I know that in regular
HAM mode 6-bits are used, 2 bits are decoded into the
4 possible modes: Palette, Modify Red, Modify Green, Modify Blue.
Then the remaining 4 bits make up either the shades of the primaries
to add (supposedly) or the palette color to use, depending on the mode.
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Now if this is the same as in HAM8 mode, then I say you can only
have 64 shades per primary and 64 base palette colors. The reason
why you can only have 256,000 colors is that 2^18 = 256,000 (approx)
so you really don't have 256,000 from 16 million.

Is it this or is thier some wierd encoding scheme that they have
developed that will let you choose 256 colors as the palette and
256 shades to encode.. I would call this a 10bit mode, 2 bits
to set the mode, 8 bits to modify or select the correct palette
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     I seem to be having problems with Imagine 1.1's cycle editor. When I
try to load a previously saved cycle object, I get a requester stating
"not a (proper) animated object file". I haven't loaded the object into
the detail editor and saved it out or anything like that. Both my work and
archival objects have been affected (I keep two copies of major projects).
     If this is a bug (unknown to me) in Imagine, it's a biggie. I've just
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     I'm using a stock 4000/040 with nothing major running in the
background (just toolmanager, wbverlauf etc..).
     Example: save human form twice (see above), go to stage to check
parameter, return to cycle and load fails (both versions). That quick to
loose 6+ hours work ;-(.

                       Any insights appreciated,

                                              Christopher Stewart

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>Does HAM8 have a base palette of 256 colors or 64 colors??

  64 colors.

>I have never had this explained to me.. I know that in regular
>HAM mode 6-bits are used, 2 bits are decoded into the
>4 possible modes: Palette, Modify Red, Modify Green, Modify Blue.
>Then the remaining 4 bits make up either the shades of the primaries
>to add (supposedly) or the palette color to use, depending on the mode.
>Now if this is the same as in HAM8 mode, then I say you can only
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>have 64 shades per primary and 64 base palette colors. The reason
>why you can only have 256,000 colors is that 2^18 = 256,000 (approx)
>so you really don't have 256,000 from 16 million.

  Yes, this is actually how it works.  There are 64 base colors, and
you can modify the high 6 bits of each color.  I think (although I'm
not sure) that the top 2 bits specify the color-selection mode as
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    00 - base color
    01 - modify red, hold green and blue
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    10 - modify green, hold red and blue
    11 - modify blue, hold red and green

>Is it this or is thier some wierd encoding scheme that they have
>developed that will let you choose 256 colors as the palette and
>256 shades to encode.. I would call this a 10bit mode, 2 bits
>to set the mode, 8 bits to modify or select the correct palette
>color.

  Hmmm... HAM-10 would be nice...
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  There is one other problem that I encountered once: if you have
a very large (i.e. larger than screen size) picture in HAM, you
can only see the leftmost portion of it correctly; otherwise, you
get strange colors on the leftmost portion of the viewable picture.
There should be an easy way around this, such as remembering the
color of pixels scrolled of the left edge of the screen, but I've
never seen a viewer program that does this.  For those of you
lucky enough to have AGA, you can just select a screenmode that's
larger.  I only have an ECS A2000 :-(
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Archive number 36 is now available on wuarchive.wustl.edu (128.252.135.4) in
the pub/amiga/incoming/imagine/archive directory.  It has also been sent to The
Graphics BBS ([e-mail]), so it should be showing up there
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> this one inch thick manual the same one everyone else got?  Is it poorly
> written?  I guess I'll find out this weekend.

Mike wrote the manual himself this time.  He wrote it just like he talks.
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OK guys here we go, a bit of info. on the Retina form those nice people at
MacroSystems in Germany (the people that brought you VLab)...

Before I go any further let me say that I've had the card for just under a
week now so this is by no means my definitive impressions *:o)

Why sould you be so interesed in another 24bit card... well several reasons

        o 24 bit resolutions upto 1152x900
        o 8 bit resolutions upto 2400x1200
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        o 4 megs of very fast video ram
        o Flicker free deinterlaced displays upto about 1280x1024, but
          only if you've got the monitor for it *:o(
        o Full Workbench & Intuition emulation =Bo)

Ok so what does all this mean? Well I've been running Imagine on an 800x600
screen (biggest screen my monitor can handle without flicker), and guess
what... Imagine uses the whole screen its given on all the editors except
the Project and Action (they use the full hight but remain 640 wide).

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Everything seems to run a bit faster too and is extreamly stable. Sometimes
the screen goes funny but a quick Amiga-R soon clears that up.

The card works with almost everything (infact the only thing it can't do is
play normal amiga animations, but it can play 24 bit anims made up of still
(albeit very slowly). Every different Amiga screen can be sent to either the
Retina or the Amiga, so incompatiable progs. are not really a problem. A
saver for ADPro and Imagemaster are included, as is a display program and
all the Workbench emulation software as well as a (slow) 24 bit paint proggy
Also included is a 'harliquin' library which lets the card emulate a
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perfectly and look gorgeous *Bo)

The software provied is of a high standard and works very well. The manual,
although short, is pretty go, although the card is pretty easy to figure out
without it. The best setup seems to be two monitors, one for the Amiga and
one for the Retina, although I'm working with just one no prolbems.

This card seems to be a dream come true, with massive screens available
and no loss in speed (Workbench definatly runs faster infact!). And at only
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Feel free to mail me if you have any questions about it (I just love talking
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Now when can I get that 21" monitor I've always wanted...
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Hello Imagine users,

        I'm fairly new to this mailing list, but it seems to be quite
informative.  Thanks to Alex who gave us some stats on the Retina board. I've
ordered a Retina and am awaiting it's arrival.. Glad to know it works well.
Now if only Canada Customs would hurry up and clear the package!!!

        I have a couple of questions maybe someone can help me with.

        Lets assume I'm doing an animation of a car moving along a winding
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view of the road, and the hood of the car.. as if the viewer is sitting
inside the car.  If I have the camera follow the same path, it's positioned
down below the car looking ahead.  How can I get the camera to follow the
car while remaining slightly above and behind it to get the view I want?
Is there a way to offset the camera's position from an object?  Or do I
have to create a second path (groan)?  On page 88 of Steven Worley's book
he does mention something about following a car from the rear or side, but
doesn't really explain how to do it.  If I don't figure this out soon I'm
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        Also, I noticed that when the camera follows my path it's on it's
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Obviously I (stupidly) positioned my axes wrong when creating my path, but
it will be really time consuming to rotate every axis now.. can this be
fixed?
        BTW, I have a few pics I've already completed and was wondering if
there is an FTP site where other Imagine users are uploading their pics?  I'm
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                                        Tamra

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Hi,

Could someone please post the ISBN number for
`Understanding Imagine 2.0' the reprint, please?

TIA,

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I'm new to this list, and I'm wondering if anyone knows the hardware
requirements for Imagine PC?  Can it run under IBM OS/2 2.x?  Some
MSDOS programs run faster under OS/2 2.x.


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>This happens to me all the time under Imagine 2.0.  The workaround is
>to go to the detail editor, load the "improper object", pick it, and
>select "cycle shuffle" from the Functions menu.  This does absolutely
>nothing to the object, since it already is properly set up, but it
>seems to set some flag that makes the Cycle editor recognize the
>object again.
>...oops, just checked my old Imagine 1.0 manual, and it doesn't seem
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>to use the above procedure to recover your object.  BTW, I think the
>upgrade is worth it, even though it still has some bugs.
>
> Evan K., [e-mail]

     Well, at least I'll be able to recover my cycles. Someone (I'd give
the credit but I've already deleted the message) else suggested bringing
the object into the detail editor and regrouping the object to a null
axis. I'll try that for the intrum.
     Is there anything else that I should know about 2.0? Most
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                                   Thanx for your help,
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>       Lets assume I'm doing an animation of a car moving along a winding
>road, which was extruded along a path.  I'm moving the car by having it
>follow the same path.  I want the camera to move so that we have a constant
>view of the road, and the hood of the car.. as if the viewer is sitting
>inside the car.  If I have the camera follow the same path, it's positioned
>down below the car looking ahead.  How can I get the camera to follow the
>car while remaining slightly above and behind it to get the view I want?
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>Is there a way to offset the camera's position from an object?  Or do I
>have to create a second path (groan)?  On page 88 of Steven Worley's book
>he does mention something about following a car from the rear or side, but
>doesn't really explain how to do it.  If I don't figure this out soon I'm
>going to seriously hurt my Amiga!!!

        Just load another copy of the same path, and move it where you
want.  ie: 2 paths, but you don't have to make it from scratch.

>       Also, I noticed that when the camera follows my path it's on it's
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>Obviously I (stupidly) positioned my axes wrong when creating my path, but
>it will be really time consuming to rotate every axis now.. can this be
>fixed?

        Either use custom alignment, or i think there is a setting for
the Y rotation only....i forget..  You may have to use custom alignment,
or remake the path.  Ah!  Actually, if only the camera is having this
problem, and you want it to look at the car anyways, why not just TRACK
the camera to the car?
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>       BTW, I have a few pics I've already completed and was wondering if
>there is an FTP site where other Imagine users are uploading their pics?  I'm
>on GEnie but I haven't seen much on there...
>
        This is in the FAQ.  wuarchive.wustl.edu   i forget teh dir.
(allready!)

>       Thanks in advance,
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Marvin,
   How do i retreive archive 36 from [e-mail]?  I can't use ftp!
I've heard this mentioned before but I am unaware how to proper retreive files
from this type of an address.

Carroll

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I hate to enter into the fight :), but my original post was just noting
that Pixel 3d doesn't promote correctly.

[e-mail]. writes:
    Of course, I can't know what Pixel 3D is doing during it's event
    loop, and this program is under copyrights, so I have no legal
    way to know how it works. But the fact is here, they use standard
    Intuition Gadgets (and Windows, and Screen).

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On 27 Apr 1993, Marvin Landis wrote:

>
> Archive number 36 is now available on wuarchive.wustl.edu (128.252.135.4) in
> the pub/amiga/incoming/imagine/archive directory.  It has also been sent to The
> Graphics BBS ([e-mail]), so it should be showing up there
> soon also.  Archive 36 contains articles posted from Apr. 7 - Apr. 23.  As
> always if you have any problems with the archives, let me know.
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Hi there,
        This is a quick quetion...
        Will some one please say wether or not the new toaster will
        work on a PAL 4000?????

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Hello all,
        Just a quick question...
Does the new Toaster work in a PAL 4000 in PAL mode?????


        Ta Jason
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> From [e-mail] Wed Apr 28 09:23:02 1993

> >     Also, I noticed that when the camera follows my path it's on it's
> >side (like the road is vertical on the right side of the viewing screen..)
> >Obviously I (stupidly) positioned my axes wrong when creating my path, but
> >it will be really time consuming to rotate every axis now.. can this be
> >fixed?
>
>       Either use custom alignment, or i think there is a setting for
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> or remake the path.  Ah!  Actually, if only the camera is having this
> problem, and you want it to look at the car anyways, why not just TRACK
> the camera to the car?

Actually, I believe translations can also affect the camera,
so you could conceivably just switch the axes IN THE CAMERA to
create the proper orientation. Not sure how this would affect
the picture, though. Try it, it's a 30-second fix.

> >     Thanks in advance,
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I would like to get the mailing list subscription addresses for the following
topics:  (assuming that all of the following lists exist)
        LightWave and/or VideoToaster
        Real 3D
        Adpro

If any of you have any other list addresses that you think
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        This card seems to be a dream come true, with massive screens available
        and no loss in speed (Workbench definatly runs faster infact!). And at only
        about 500 UK pounds (~$750) it doesn't leave too much dent in the pocket!
        Feel free to mail me if you have any questions about it (I just love talking
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Where can I get it???

I live in the united states... Is there some brochure I can get on it...
I'm really interested...

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Greetings fellow imaginers!  I seem to have hit a problem again...

I have a fairly simple picture of an altar that I am working on...
It had a simple wooden spire as a center piece, but that was too plain
so I made a crystal ball with a gold holder around it.... and now,
when I add this to my picture and try to render, it crashes. every time.
I have imagine 2.0, 7 megs ram, 030/882 and wb2.0.  I've tried taking
out the altar and it works fine. wireframs work good, but scanline and
trace simply crash the whole system. i've quickrendered the ball
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and it works fine as well..

now I could handle an error message better, but this crashing before
it even starts to render the picture is infuriating!  does anyone
have any ideas that could help? there doesn't seem to be any reason why
this ball shouldn't work in the picture... *sigh*
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Thanks for the quick answers about the PAL statis of the new Toaster 4000.
The reason I am so interested in it is that I have heard so much about the
Light Wave program but have never seen it!
I know that NewTek are supposed to be making a stand alone version of the
program, but I have to ask .. Will it be a full version??

As for Opal Vision.. this looks like a very neat bit of kit. I have not seen
it first hand yet, but that is only a matter of time. However if I was going
to buy a graphics card it would be for displaying big screens for running
Xwindow on. (Hooked on this cause of the Uni Machines :)
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Talking of big screens can anyone recommend a 17" Monitor for a 4000 that is
avaliable in the UK and that preferably syncs down to 15kHz and beyond 60kHz
(Just to keep my options open in the future ;-)

        Happy Modeling..
                Jason
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        color of pixels scrolled of the left edge of the screen, but I've
        never seen a viewer program that does this.  For those of you
        lucky enough to have AGA, you can just select a screenmode that's
        larger.  I only have an ECS A2000 :-(

          --Andy Church
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modes.. It sorta sounds like CBM is pulling the wool over our
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The answer that was mailed was a definit No..

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>As for the monitor question, I'rd recommend having a look at the
>Vinilla monitors from New Horizions Computers. They were in the latest
>copies of Amiga Format and Amiga Shopper. I've been saving up for one of
>these babies, and when I rang New Horizions they were very helpful.
>Sorry I cant remember the number, but its in the mags. Give them a ring
>and ask for the full specs.
>The 17" version sells for about 550 UK pounds!!!!


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that I have with them is that they will not sync down to 15kHz..
This is not a problem as long as your software works with mode promotion, but
there are always (or at least in the near future) going to be programs that
will not work properly as there is no easy access to programming guidlines
from commodore. <- If you are in the UK that is..

But as you say 550 UK pounds is just a bit too tempting to resist for long.

Also who supplys the Retina board in the UK and is there a verified price?

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The address I have for Vincent Fargat is incorrect.  Could he please
send me mail.  All of my responses to his last message bounced.

--Pete

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Hi alex and anyone else,
        It was a little while ago that I spoke to the Vanilla people, as far as
I can remember the horizontal did go up to 80 ish. I don't remember the
specifics after he said 'mode promotion' as at the time I definately did not
want to use that.
        However this Retina board is sounding very nice indeed, but I can
foresee a few minor problems with it:

        1. As C= are going to release the AAA chipset in July, or so I have
        heard from a reliable source, and as I have a 4000, this means that
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        I will be given first grabs for upgrading. There is a guesstimate price
        of around 250-300 pounds for a full upgrade includeing Workbench 4.0,
        which fully supports the retargetable graphics protocol (Which I doubt
        that the Retina does). As far as I know the AAA chips will give similar
        resolutions to the Retina ie something in the range of 1024x1024x24.

        2. Using the Retina means that I will lose the use of the Video slot.
        This rules out using an OpalVision card with a Roaster chip for doing
        lovely video effects. Or too be less specific any higher performance
        board that uses the video slot. As I assume that the Retina is purely
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        for display enhancement (am I wrong?) this is a limiting use of said
        video slot.

        So I think a short pause is in order to yet again wait on the big C=.
All I am certain is that no matter what I get it will be the one that is
replaced within a week!

                Jas

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        I'm wondering how Imagine 2.0 uses global reflection maps. I mean,
if I have a highly reflective plane and a 320 * 200 HAM image as a global
reflection picture then how big does the plane have to be to fully reflect
the image? I managed to create chrome font object that reflected most of the
global reflection pic once but I can't seem to attain the same results.

        This other question regards Imagine PC. Will Essence work with the
PC version? If not will Apex put out a PC version? The Essence package is
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        That is all... Thanks in advance...


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> so I made a crystal ball with a gold holder around it.... and now,
> when I add this to my picture and try to render, it crashes. every time.
>
        One "version" of Imagine 2.0 (FPU version) crashes whenever
two or more shadow-casting lights encounter a refractive object.
The only work-around is to change the scene so that only one light
casts shadows.  I think you can also send in the original disk with
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Alex..
        Now a retina in a normal slot is very tempting indeed! You are on
the right lines with the library thing and retargetable (I think).

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>       2. Using the Retina means that I will lose the use of the Video slot.
>       This rules out using an OpalVision card with a Roaster chip for doing
>       lovely video effects. Or too be less specific any higher performance
>       board that uses the video slot. As I assume that the Retina is purely
>       for display enhancement (am I wrong?) this is a limiting use of said
>       video slot.
>

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[Please correct me if I am wrong]
We had one here to play with about 2 weeks back and the guy who had it
said he had an OpalVision in the Video slot and a Retina board in one
of the other slots just last week and things were fine and dandy.
Of course he had two monitors and the displays are independent.

Robin

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> Marvin,
>    How do i retreive archive 36 from [e-mail]?  I can't
> I've heard this mentioned before but I am unaware how to proper retreive file
> from this type of an address.
>
> Carroll
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You must then join the parts, uudecode the file and then you will
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If anyone has the latest version of Playmation that they'd like to sell
for $150-$200, please let me know.  I'm  mostly interested in buying it
so I can get the competitive upgrade to Imagine 3.0 for $200.

Does anyone know what Imagine is accepting for the competitive upgrade
in terms of other packages and requirements for proof (master disks,
title page, etc.)?   Most of the software I'm using is more multimedia
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I got my copy of Imagine PC about a week ago...   I have never used the
product before.   Last Commodore machine I owned was a C 128 about 5 years
ago.

My PC is a 486/33 with 8 megs and DOS 6.0.   I haven't used the "doublespace"
stacker like utility on my hard drive yet but I'm thinking about it.  Does
anyone know if this is a good idea or not?  Imagine and DoubleSpace stacking?

For the people who have said uncomplimentary things about the Imagine Manual,
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understand about 8% of what I've read.  It appears to be somewhat like a real
manual only not as good.   Interesting reading though.   Considering the
responses I've gotten concerning Steve Worley's book, _Understanding Imagaine,
(zero responses) I suppose it simply isn't available.  Unfortunate.  I need
it...

Later,

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Hello ssujstra (ssujstra). On Apr 29, you have written :

>       1. As C= are going to release the AAA chipset in July, or so I have

    Well, it's quite funny to hear this, as AAA won't be ready until next
    year. Do you want to break the AA market ?

>       that the Retina does). As far as I know the AAA chips will give similar
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    No, no 24 bits modes, but a 16bit packed mode called Hybrid, which will
    allow 24 bits colors. And there will be 4 different configurations for
    AAA : Without or with Video Ram, and single or dual buffer. High
    resolutions with millions colours won't be there on cheap configurations
    (IMHO).

    Sincerely,
                                   -- Philippe

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        O.K.  So now I've got a nice four second 768x482 256 color anim
that takes up about ten megs.  I want to play it.  I can't.  ViewTek1.04
will load the first frame and then lock up.  DPaint can't load the whole
thing.  ShowAnim just gives me a blank 320x200 screen.  I'm lost.

        I'm running an A4000 w/18 Megs or RAM.

        Someone (anyone) have any ideas?
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Hi... this is to Jim Nobles..I have stacker version 3.0 and it seems to
work fine with Imagine for the pc....for that matter... nothing I have used
yet seems to have any prob with stacker.... Its a really nice program.

I have a 486-DX 50 with a removable bernoullie hard-drive also.... <---and
it works fine to with it...

and I dont know where you can get the Steve Worley book, but it is worth the
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good luck....ps I just got 3D-Studio <---- and I love it... I still love
Imagine too...but wow.....is it nice.

3D-Studio cost retail about 2900$ and after calling around the cheapest I
could find it.. (retail) was 2400$....

But since I am in college.. I got it through the school with an educational
discount....guess how much... only 367$ <---great price...

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doing anims and flics....I am looking for a card that will give me the fastest
frames per second on screen? I have 64-MEGS of ram using 16-meg simms..

Tony Boutwell (above video card is for the ibm (vesa structure))
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Welp, I noticed some people were wondering how to get THE book
still, so I thought I'd post a way to find it... (I just got mine
today!  drool drool)

I found it at DevWare mail order for $27.95.

the number is   1-800-879-0759  and the book number is
B107

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  To be succinct, a thought occured to me as I read recent and distant
  critiques of the Imagine manual in its current state...
    I see very little to complain about in the manual.  We all like to act
    lazy and pretend to never read manuals, but its just like school was:
    You're not going to get very far without reading, and the paperback
    brick of a manual just released seems to me a dandy little reference
    book.  It's not Nicholas Nickleby, but I look at it in terms of when I
    FIRST learned my way around an editor.  The Turbo Silver manual left
    ALOT to be desired, true, but part of this was just my frustration at
    learning the new environment.
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  Currently, I am learning the interface for Caligari24.  By comparison,
  its learning curve is more like a minor hill in Florida.  It's pretty
  wonderful so far, I may have to find a Caligari list, hrm? No, don't
  worry, I'm too sold on the flexibility offered by Imagine to give it up.
  Friends who work on Iris Indigos say the same, believe it or not.
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Hello Ryan (Ryan K. Brooks). On Apr 18, you have written :

> I hate to enter into the fight :), but my original post was just noting
> that Pixel 3d doesn't promote correctly.
>
> Are you sure its a normal screen?  If it is, they are playing with it's
> copperlist.

    Well, at least it's a normal screen which is here when Pixel 3D runs.

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    Now, too much for this thread. I've received Real3D 2.0 last week and
    I'm testing it. I've found 2 big bugs (if someone can define the velocity
    of the ball in 'tutorial 6.17.4', please e-mail me) and find it a little
    bit slow. And it's still hard to do precise modelling... But I hope this
    product will evolve quicker than last version (1.4).

    I would like to know if there is any mailing-list for this program ?

    Sincerely,
                                   -- Philippe
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Has anybody heard of anything like stacker for the
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Here it is... the programs you have all been waiting for... ya right..
wel maybe..

This is about two days effort and very simple...
All these programs do is let you do fly-throughs on Rayshade
using a Unix system equiped with Cjpeg/Djpeg and
the capability of puting jobs in the background.

Here is the code... I will upload the complete examples to wuarchive, if I can
get on... under imagine directory, if I can find it.. ;-)
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rayfly.c
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/* Kiernan Holland's RayFly copyright 1993*/
/* Okay, this is hardly worth copyrighting but just in case,
        it is... This is shareware?? No, who would pay for the crud ;-)
        but I am making it freely-redistributable.. Really, this
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        is just a hint for others to find better ways to make animations
        with Rayshade, Imagine and Getx11. Later I might add
        a batch file that makes animations on the Amiga, but for now
        it just works for me in Getx11..

        Why RayFly? Why not Imagine?

        First of all, Rayshade can run a number of UNIX systems at once,
        it has many features that Imagine could really use but doesn't have,
        Rayshade is made to run on UNIX machines, and the best reason??
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        Well, I have access to a Xwindows machine with CJPEG,DJPEG,
        Rayshade, Getx11 and I have Imagine and an AMiga 3000 at home.
        The machines at school take none of my home computers RAM,
        take none of my home computers CPU time and those workstations
        are on all the time, so why not make use of those wasted CPU
        cycles rather than waste my Amiga 3000's resources on the
        same animations?? If that isn't reason enough then don't
        use this utility, and waste your own time on animations.

        Features of RayFLy:
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        Almost none.. It takes a rayshade file, a geom file (obtained
        through tddd2off), and outputs the coordinates for the
        cammera to be included in your rayshade scene file,
        and outputs a animation created by rayshade. This program
        is really a complex batch file, but it gets the job done.

        Legal stuff:

        If your computer dies, gets destroyed, loses all its data,
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        or if you die, or the whole world blows up, I am not responsible.
        Use this program at your own risk..

        If you do end up copying the program or end up basing a animation
        program on it... I would like a weency bit of credit. ;-)

        Other stuff:

        I have included in thi archive all the stuff you need to
        try the program out and debug and whatnot.. I don't know how to use
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        MAKE, don't have the time to learn, so you'll have to wade
        through my, 200 lines of code and figure it out.. I will comment
        it to give you some idea what is going on.

        - Kiernan Holland
        - [e-mail]

        PS - This was compiled on a MIPS computer using the latest version,
                  the last version, of MIPS unix with the SYSVR4/BSD43 combination.
                  I would like to thank MIPS for making thier computer operating
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                  systems so slothfully it is amazing the thing runs.. We are getting
                  SGI's and plan to sell off tickets to destroy the old MIPS server.
                  I'm kidding...
*/

#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <string.h>

/* This part takes arguments from the command line..
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        argc is the number of arguments including the executable's name,
        argv is an array (of pointers to) arguments in textual form.
*/
main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
        /* Intialize FrameCount
        */
        int count = 0;

        /* Axisset1 is the EyePoint vector, and Axisset2 is the LookPoint vector
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        */
        float axisset1[3], axisset2[3];

        /* CFPTR is a pointer to the file to be read, and WFPTR is a pointer
        **      to the file to be written to.
        */
        FILE *cfptr;
        FILE *wfptr;
        char tempstring[256];

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        /* Is there less than 5 arguments given? */
        if (argc < 5)
           {
                /* then complain */
          printf("The syntax is \"a.out <animation.ray> %s %s",
                                "<path.geo> <cammera.ray>\n",
                                "<framebase> [Option -V(iew) mode] \"\n ");
                }
        else
                {
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                /* Else attempt to open the geom file */
                if ((cfptr = fopen (argv[2],"r")) == NULL)
                        printf("File could not be opened \n");
                else
                        {
                        /* Take off header of the geom file */
                        fscanf(cfptr, "%f%f%f", &axisset1[0],&axisset1[1],&axisset1[2]);
                        /* Get the real coordiantes */
                        fscanf(cfptr, "%f%f%f", &axisset1[0],&axisset1[1],&axisset1[2]);
                        fscanf(cfptr, "%f%f%f", &axisset2[0],&axisset2[1],&axisset2[2]);
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                        /* While the geom file still has something in it */
                        while (!feof(cfptr))
                                {
                                /* If we cannot write to the cammera coordinates file */
                                if ((wfptr = fopen (argv[3],"w")) == NULL)
                                        /* Complain! */
                                printf("File could not be created \n");
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                                        /* Try to write out that cammera coordinates include file
                                        */
                                        fprintf (wfptr, "eyep %f %f %f \n",axisset1[0],axisset1[1],axisset1[2]);
                                        fprintf (wfptr, "lookp %f %f %f \n",axisset2[0],axisset2[1],axisset2[2]);
                                        fclose  (wfptr);

                                        /* Invoke rayshade and have it render a frame with the
                                        **      given cammera coordinates
                                        */
                                        sprintf(tempstring,"rayshade -V stuff.results -p %s > %s%d.rle",
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                                                        argv[1],argv[4],++count);
                                        system(tempstring);
                                        /* compress the frame under JPEG and delete the RLE frame.
                                        */
                                sprintf(tempstring,"cjpeg -Q80 %s%d.rle > %s%d.jpg ; rm %s%d.rle",
                                                          argv[4],count,argv[4],count,argv[4],count);
                                        system(tempstring);
                                        }

                                /* Swap the coordinates for the look-point out to the eye-point.
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                                **
                                ** Note: This can be modified to handle other kinds of
                                ** paths, I just don't know how to do them.
                                */
                                axisset1[0] = axisset2[0];
                                axisset1[1] = axisset2[1];
                                axisset1[2] = axisset2[2];

                                /* Take the next coordinate from the geom file.
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                                fscanf(cfptr, "%f%f%f", &axisset2[0],&axisset2[1],&axisset2[2]);
                                }
                        fclose(cfptr);
                        fclose(wfptr);
                        }
                }
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#include <math.h>
main ()
{
        float count = 0.0;
        float x,y,z = 0.0;
        while (count < 180)
                {
                count++;
                x = 1000 * cos(count/30.0);
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                printf("%f %f %f \n",x,y,z);
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/* This is the program to view your RayFly animations with..
**      Make sure Djpeg, Cjpeg and Getx11 are in your path and make sure
**      you are running Xwindows, of course..
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#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <ctype.h>
#include <string.h>

/* Get command line arguments
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main (int argc , char *argv[])
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{
        /* make a temporary string for the system calls
        */
        char tempstr[256];

        /* declare the start and end frames of the animation
        */
        int frame_start,frame_end,count;

        /* make sure the command line has the correct number of
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        ** so you must follow the syntax... If you don't wanna, change
        ** the code.. don't ask me to change it..
        */

        if (argc != 4)
                printf("Syntax : a.out <animbase> <start frame> <end frame> \n");
        else
                {
                frame_start = atoi(argv[2]);    /* convert ARG2 to integer */
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                frame_end = atoi(argv[3]);              /* convert ARG3 to integer */
                count = frame_start;                            /* start at first frame */

                /* keep puting frames in animation until the last frame */
                while ( count <= frame_end )
                        {
                        printf("Decompressing frame %d of %s and making a movie\n",count,argv[1]);
                        /* decompress the JPEG'd frames to RLE format, see JPG man pages,
                        ** and append to one ANIMATION file. Silly, but it does work..
                        ** This is becuase UNIX treats streams all the same no matter what
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                        */

                        sprintf(tempstr,"djpeg -R %s%d.jpg >> test.rle",argv[1],count++);
                        system(tempstr);
                        }
                /* View the movie using GETX11's movie mode feature
                */
                printf("Viewing movie.");
                system("getx11 -m 10 test.rle");
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                printf("Removing the movie, to free up space.");

                /* remove the animation. Note if you are doing 320x200 24-bit
                ** animation expect 40K a frame. Getx11 doesn't do delta-compression
                ** not that I know of...
                */
                system("rm test.rle");
                }
}
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Here is some information about "Understanding Imagine 2.0" for the person(s)
who was interested.

It cost me somewhere in the $20-25 range. I can't remember the exact amount
since I got it a while back. You could probably get a copy direct from

Apex Software Publishing
405 El Camino Real Suite 121
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There is NO ISBN number, maybe I should say that there isn't one listed where
it normally resides.

I got my copy at a local Amiga dealer here in Sarasota, FL. I don't remember
them having any more in stock, but if you are interested in trying them their
phone number is 813 355 6121. They are called Apogee ... (something or other)
I have no ties to them , etc. etc.

Good luck on getting copies.
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This is kind of related to us so I thought I would let you in on it.

I got a post card from Natural Graphics last night.  Looks like SA is
going to kick Vista Pro's proverbial butt (again)
I always liked SA over Vista, and now the new Scenery Animator is
going to have:

Full AGA support
          (Of course this is just to catch up)
Place trees precisely where you want them
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          (YEAH! no more hunting for trees)
Zoom up to 512x on the map for precise camera/tree locating.
Lock camera angle or zoom on map screen
          (This was a must for me, I hated screwing up the zoom
           just because I clicked in a new view angle)
Fast preview mode.
          (?? not sure what this is)
Include a Video Scape 3D object in your rendering
          (Cool! didn't say if you could animate it in any way but
           now we can add a house a bridge a car, whatever!)
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Now to get a object converter from Imagine to Vscape..

Available May 20  (according to the postcard)

Later...

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* Adam Benjamin                    [e-mail] *
* Christian Animator                   [e-mail]   *
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> I got a post card from Natural Graphics last night.  Looks like SA is
> going to kick Vista Pro's proverbial butt (again)
> I always liked SA over Vista, and now the new Scenery Animator is
> going to have:
>
> Full AGA support

doesn't vpro3 do this

> Place trees precisely where you want them
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vpro does this too

> Zoom up to 512x on the map for precise camera/tree locating.

you can do this on vista too.. trees, roads, grass

> Lock camera angle or zoom on map screen
>           (This was a must for me, I hated screwing up the zoom
>            just because I clicked in a new view angle)
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vista too

> Fast preview mode.

vista has several options, a quick preview, and different quality levels
that provide a preview in just a few seconds

> Include a Video Scape 3D object in your rendering
>           (Cool! didn't say if you could animate it in any way but
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>            now we can add a house a bridge a car, whatever!)

can't do this on vista pro, but u can save the landscape as a turbo obj



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This should almost be an FAQ, but people have been trying to find the
book...  it went out of print for several months since Impulse had
said that Imagine 3.0 would be out in January: I planned to write a
new edition of Understanding Imagine (UI) including all the new
features, and didn't want to be stuck with thousands of obsolete
copies of UI 2.0.  Anyway, I finally gave up waiting for 3.0, and did
a reprint last month. There are now loads of copies available.

In fact as of last week Apex can accept credit card orders over the
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phone (!)  so it should be easy to get! Call Apex at 415-322-7532 from
10 to 6 PST and a courteous, intelligent, and Imagine-literate
salesperson will be glad you help you (that's me).

You can also FAX to 415-322-2059, or mail to

Apex Software
405 El Camino Real #121
Menlo Park CA 94025 USA

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OR you can email to "[e-mail]". All of these methods can be
used for Essence tech support as well.

The book costs $26 plus $3 shipping  ($6 overseas)
Essence I costs $48 plus $3 shipping ($5 overseas)

Sorry for the commercial content of the message, but several people have
asked for the info.

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A little advice please...

I'm doing my Joe's Diner clock, and I want to have a neon tube border.  How
do I make an object look like red neon?  Turning on the light attribute
results in a single point emitting light rather than the whole tube.  Can
I use a red glass tube, with a cylinder light shining down the tube to
produce the desired effect?  How about when the tube isn't straight but
curls around in script lettering?

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BTW, wasn't someone going to upload a monitor object to wuarchive for us?
I logged onto wuarchive last night and, unless I didn't find the right
directory, there's a total of TWO objects there!  Why isn't everybody
uploading their goodies????

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> BTW, wasn't someone going to upload a monitor object to wuarchive for us?
> I logged onto wuarchive last night and, unless I didn't find the right
> directory, there's a total of TWO objects there!  Why isn't everybody
> uploading their goodies????

Does anybody know the scoop on the Star Trek/ Star Wars / Aliens objects
that got uploaded that were corrupt and were supposed to be reuploaded.

Also where are the IML contest entries at.  I never got them and I misplaced
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I Forgot one of the best features of all!

Night rendering with accurate stars from constellation data

Adam B.

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Hi, I was going through an old issue of Amiga World, the one describing the
Amiga 4000 (Nov.92) when I noticed a sentence saying that Imagine was working
on an AGA version of Imagine 2.0.  They also mentioned that this would be a
free upgrade to AGA owners.  Has anyone heard anything about this?  Is it
true?  Is is ready?  Inquiring minds want to know.

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> Has anybody heard of anything like stacker for the
> amiga?
>
> William E. Costello
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>
Yes, although the name fails me at the moment. If you have Usenet access
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steve lombardi      | drugs. and he doesn't do cocaine. and he doesn't shoot
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                    | such a fu*ker to me? --WEEN
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> Hi, I was going through an old issue of Amiga World, the one describing the
> Amiga 4000 (Nov.92) when I noticed a sentence saying that Imagine was working
> on an AGA version of Imagine 2.0.  They also mentioned that this would be a
> free upgrade to AGA owners.  Has anyone heard anything about this?  Is it
> true?  Is is ready?  Inquiring minds want to know.
>
> [e-mail]

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so I called Impulse. AGA will fully be supported in 3.0.  There will not
be a version of 2.0 with AGA support. 3.0 is due out in mid summer.
Bummer. I tried to wrentch a few of the 3.0 features out of them as well
but they were tight lipped saying only "3.0 will re-establish imagine
as the standard ...blah blah blah" I hope they mean it.


Hey- BTW The new Opalvision add in AmigaWorld mentions an extension of the
imagine offer! if you purchased/ will purchase Opalvision between february and
June  of this year you will get a free Imagine 2.0 direct from Centaur. This
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is identical to the 2.0 that you are used to, but the Firecracker button
has been replaced with Opal.
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[e-mail] | smack. and he doesn't even drink beer. Why would he be
                    | such a fu*ker to me? --WEEN
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21400.3.1.3367 Neon Tubing
5/5/93 10:46 17/ [e-mail] (Peter Mancini)
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        Last night I attempted to follow my own advice for making a neon
like tube.  Boy is it harder in practice than in theory.  Basically here
is what I learned:

        1: make your inner cylinder a much darker color such as 200R 0B
0G.

        2: make your outer tube 75% fog and color shifted as well as
more intense such as 255R 50B 100G.

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        3: make both items BRIGHT.  The inner tube can be shiny.

        4: make your outer tube 20% larger than your inner tube.

--Pete
P.S.  Any other suggestions or methods?

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21400.3.1.3368 Contact to Joe's Diner project lost !!
5/5/93 12:43 11/ Hannes Heckner <[e-mail]>
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Last night I wanted to mail to the leader of the Joe's Diner
Imagine project but I discovered that I had lost the only mail
I received from him. Please - if you can hear mail - mail
to me as I have a few questions

Sorry for bothering all the other IML members with my personal
problems but it was the only way

Sorry again
Hannes
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21400.3.1.3369 Searching for an earth brush
5/5/93 12:39 9/ Hannes Heckner <[e-mail]>
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Hi folks,

I need a brushmap for my sphere to render the planet earth.
Every hint on a ftp-site or other pd sources would be greatly
apreciated.

Thanks
Hannes

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21400.3.1.3370 Re: Re More Vanilla Monitors
5/5/93 15:27 6/ [e-mail] (AIDE Kiernan)
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Does the Retina do a workbench emulation or is it supported by
workbench? The reason I am asking is that a company back about
a year ago or so made this board called Visiona which did about the same
thing but someone up here warned me that it only did workbench
emulations, it wasn't actually a workbench supported graphics card..

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5/5/93 13:38 14/ [e-mail] (David Ingebretsen)
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I've uploaded a map that can be used to the aminet sites. It is in
pix/misc and is called earth.lha. There are two maps, a B&W one for
bump mapping and a color one for coloring the globe.

        David

        David M. Ingebretsen
        Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
        [e-mail]

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                    opinions of my employer, nor are my actions
                    encouraged, supported, or acknowledged by my
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21400.3.1.3372 Re: ImaginePC and DOS 6.0
5/5/93 15:32 16/ [e-mail] (AIDE Kiernan)
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        My PC is a 486/33 with 8 megs and DOS 6.0.   I haven't used the "doublespace"
        stacker like utility on my hard drive yet but I'm thinking about it.  Does
        anyone know if this is a good idea or not?  Imagine and DoubleSpace stacking?
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        For the people who have said uncomplimentary things about the Imagine Manual,
        I have read about 75% of the thing and I can honestly say that I
        understand about 8% of what I've read.  It appears to be somewhat like a real
        manual only not as good.   Interesting reading though.   Considering the
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Impulse has always sucked at manuals... even back with Turbo Silver
their manuals suck... I'm glad to see it is still sucking today,
ofcourse I'm being sarcastic towards impulse..
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Usually the fastest frames per second on a local bus you can get is
dependant upon how fast your CPU can move memory... so the answer
to your question is "how fast is your CPU?"... Animation speed
is solely dependant upon your CPU speed, or unless you have some sort
of DMA controller which can move data faster than your CPU,
assuming your CPU fast enough but can't move memory fast enough
for its frequency over the bus.. In other words, I don't think there is such a
thing as a real fast local bus card, there is only one that just doesn't
go as fast as the bus frequency...

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Sorry...first time I read your message I thought you meant from the
hard drive you would play the animation... They probably didn't think
it was possible to have that high-res a animation and play it that fast...

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21400.3.1.3375 ImaginePC anyone else have these problems?
5/5/93 17:09 34/ [e-mail] (Michael B. Comet)
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